Denise Billen-Mejia 0:07
Welcome to Two hypnotherapists talking with me, Denise Billen-Mejia in Delaware, USA.
Martin Furber 0:13
And me Martin Furber in Preston UK.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:15
This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who would like to know more about fascinating subject of hypnosis, and the benefits that offers.
Martin Furber 0:15
I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and psychotherapist,
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:27
I'm a retired medical doctor and consulting hypnotist. We are two hypnotherapist talking. So let's get on with the episode.
It's been one of those days again. Wait. Yeah, that and the other one and the radio show and everything else. And I don't know if things happen in threes, because it seems to be a whole lot more than threes right now. But Murphy's Law is in full force every time I think, Oh, I've got it, and then we'll be able to do something else happens. And I think that you have been an incredible Godsend and helped me. I know all the things, I helped my clients do all those things, but it's been really helpful. And I think it might be helpful for our listeners, if you could just talk me through as my blood pressure slowly sinks down how you fixed my problem. Well
Martin Furber 1:23
Well, take a deep breath and relax. That was the first things he told me actually Hypno college was having reciprocal treatment, reciprocal hypnotherapy. Because of course we've all got to keep our spare mental capacity.
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:38
Exactly. Yeah. And running businesses is not, most of us don't learn that. But in whatever capacity we have in our jobs, we aren't taught the business of that thing. Unless we happen to be business in business school. Yeah, of course. Business cards, hand them out. People will just come to you. Yeah.
Martin Furber 2:02
The other thing that they're light on the teaching is the techie side, especially for people of our years.
Denise Billen-Mejia 2:07
Yeah, my advancing years.
Martin Furber 2:11
Mine too.
Denise Billen-Mejia 2:11
Of course tech changes.
Martin Furber 2:14
Changes all the time.
Denise Billen-Mejia 2:15
How dare you move from over there to over there? All right, so I am beginning to relax. What do you think I would do next? What do you think would be a good idea? smiling and laughing? Because laughing always pressure down to
Martin Furber 2:29
Absolutely those Yeah, but it's the breathing isn't it I always go for the 777, in for seven, hold for seven. And out for seven. Make sure you empty. And of course, I'd explain it in the simplest of forms, it's that it activates the parasympathetic nervous system slows the mind and body down. Of course, you being the doctor will be able to give a far more complicated explanation.
Denise Billen-Mejia 2:55
Complicated as overrated! It brings your blood pressure down, your heart rate drops, slower breath really helps. And and it stops the swirling around like it's okay. It's Only time and I have as many hours in the day as anybody else, always tomorrow.
Martin Furber 3:18
You know, this begs the question, though, what I was going to ask you as well, because obviously, this is our first broadcast. What do people think they're going to? Well, what do people expect when they go to see a Hypnotherapist?
Denise Billen-Mejia 3:34
Well, usually, well, they actually see me, they've already spoken to me for at least half an hour on a call, because I always do a free call. And I think you did the same thing. Yeah. So we've, we've gotten rid of the idea that anybody's gonna get a pocket watch out, in somebody's eyes. And we've gotten rid of the idea that it's mind control. And most people who are significantly worried about that probably wouldn't have called in the first place. But I think that there is still a little residual, the therapist is going to just snap their fingers and you know, the weight will just fall off and you'll be skinny person tomorrow or, you know, instantly you don't have to do anything. And of course, we both know we're doing 10% of the work in this, in the subconscious minds of clients, but they have to be willing to change. And the willingness to change is really...
Martin Furber 4:26
Yeah, I mean, we're always told, you know, they need to play the game. Whilst I'm not guessing, I know, you also provide audio recordings for in between sessions, for example, so do I. And obviously that is important that they do that. They listen to the recordings each day. I mean, again, just a little example with me, I tend to use background music in my recordings as well. When the next the next time the person comes into my office to see me, that music is playing very low in the background. So Immediately the subconscious feels secure, it recognises the music.
Denise Billen-Mejia 5:04
So are you are you extremely organised and you keep the same music? For, you know which client got which music? Would you use the same underlying track,
Martin Furber 5:13
I use the same underlying track all the time, again, is that thing with the mind liking repetition? Although the mind picks up on signals, you know, when you see red, you feel danger, the way we're programmed that kind of thing. I work on the basis that they associate that music with the last thing they listen to every night, they feel safe and secure in their own bed. So they walk into my office and you hear it playing just gently in the background, straightaway it triggers something in the subconscious. That's, that's my train of thought, anyway.
Denise Billen-Mejia 5:42
That's a good idea. Maybe I'll start doing that, because I don't see people physically in the office. I see them almost entirely on zoom. I have made a few house calls. But no, I can't do that to Preston. Over here in Delaware, would have been a few local people I've seen for specific reasons, because they cannot deal with computer or for those few clients that it would not be safe, like patients with epilepsy would have to physically see them rather than seeing them on Zoom.
Martin Furber 6:14
Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, actually talking to Delaware. And Preston, it might be a good time to let people know who we are and where we're from.
Denise Billen-Mejia 6:21
So I go first, yeah, why not sexist. Hi, I'm Denise Bella here and I am a former doctor. I'm originally from Salisbury, in the UK but I've lived in the States for a long, long time, as you can probably tell from my accent. And I when I retired for medicine, I didn't want to give up helping people and I trained as a coach and then I trained in hypnotherapy and fell madly in love with hypnotherapy. So I now the main reason for me having the podcasts, having my other podcast for doctors, is to get people to understand how helpful hypnosis can be for medical reasons. And for lots of other reasons, because anything that makes you feel good, improves your health. It doesn't cure cancer! But living your best life is what you want. That's what your doctor wants for you. It's what your therapist want for you. What your mum wants for you. So the the little things are as important to your well-being as the big things. Absolutely. Okay. How's life in Preston.
Martin Furber 7:28
Preston is fine thanks. Yeah. Okay. So I'm Martin Furber. I'm what's called a solution focused hypnotherapist and psychotherapist based here in the UK. I see people in my private practice in Preston, which you can see behind me, for those who are watching on YouTube. And I see people online as well worldwide. I got into hypnotherapy. I started studying it six years ago. I've been practising I'm in my second year of practising it, I'm in my second year of practising it. And I got into hypnotherapy following a 20 year career in the jewellery trade.
Denise Billen-Mejia 8:03
An interesting swap.
Martin Furber 8:04
It was an interesting swap. Yeah, I just, just very briefly, I was suffering with PTSD after two robberies at my jewellery shop in Preston. And I went for therapy and it worked miraculously I got hooked on it. I started studying it, and lost nine stone in weight doing it.
Denise Billen-Mejia 8:23
For non UK people that's about 126 pounds. Yeah.
Martin Furber 8:28
So instead of the fat jeweller from Preston. I'm the thin therapist from Preston. So yeah, well, so that's our backgrounds. What about the kind of hypnotherapy we practice there.
Denise Billen-Mejia 8:43
I think our styles are very similar. I trained at a place called the Hypnosis Motivation Institute, which has been around for more than 50 years in California. Fairly traditional hypnosis, a lot of progressive relaxation, and some Ericksonian. For those people who aren't familiar with Erickson, he was a psychiatrist in the 60s and 70s here in the US, and did a huge amount to help for it, to help the progress of hypnosis, I'm babbling now. It's a conversational style. You don't you don't see an Ericksonian hypnotist with you know, count back with three just have a conversation, but the wording and the speed those things are what helps people to relax. Because as we both know, hypnosis is something you do anyway. You want to be and your mind just naturally allows your conscious mind to check out for a bit so your subconscious can accept interesting suggestions. Which of course, when we're doing it are things that we've already talked to our clients about, and we know that they want
Martin Furber 9:57
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, I practice what's called solution-focused therapy, which sort of does what it says on the tin, we focus on the solutions, not the problems. And by that, it a session is typically 50%. As we call the psychotherapy side of it, we're talking therapy, and then 50%, of hypnotic trance, where we embed all those positive suggestions within the session. The psychotherapy side, though, that my, the immediate response I get from people, is usually they think immediately psychoanalysis. You know when, we're going to look for a problem. Now, we don't do any regression these days. And we certainly don't try and do any analysis, of course, or that kind of thing. It's talking therapy to establish what the client wants, what their positive future would look like. And, you know, and to look for hints and tips there in what they're actually looking for, and then to embed that into the subconscious.
Denise Billen-Mejia 10:56
Do you do any of what most people would refer to as inner child work? People clearly, have you don't do any stuff on past now.
Martin Furber 11:06
if somebody comes with a past trauma that they want help getting over? We use a technique called the rewind technique where we'll take them before that, and immediately afterwards. Yeah, but we've don't do an inner child as such. Yeah, with the, with the whole process, though, obviously, I'm not an ex-Doctor, I'm just a therapist. I don't want to overstate my pay grade here. So obviously I'm,
Denise Billen-Mejia 11:30
So obviously, I'm just an x doctor, not not a psychotherapist..
Martin Furber 11:35
So we're not allowed to analyse, we're not allowed to diagnose and we're certainly not allowed to prescribe. So the problem is whatever the client comes with, and states, is there issue. I mean, that's always my first question. What would you like help with?
Denise Billen-Mejia 11:52
Right? Yeah. I think we're both working on the same result. Yeah. We may get there a little differently. And of course, that's why they're are different flavours of hypnotist for people, different problems, resonate differently with individuals.
Martin Furber 12:11
Yeah, I mean, do you use also direct suggestion when you've got your clients in hypnosis?
Denise Billen-Mejia 12:16
if there's somebody that requires it, the school that I attended, refers to people as being emotional, or physical. And, and very analytic people tend to respond better to inferred so I, I tend to mix it up. A lot of the work isn't hypnosis, because the hypnosis doesn't have to be that long a process. It's the conversation that you have with client first to really understand where they are and where they want to be.
Martin Furber 12:48
Absolutely, absolutely, yeah, but we use very little direct suggestion. It's mainly the use of metaphor. And again, it's thinking on your feet, once you've got the client into trance, if, just off the top of my head, if a client is having issues with freeing themselves of an old relationship or something like that, and wants to move on, you might use a metaphor about a butterfly emerging from the chrysalis that kind of thing and really get that, you know, get that into them, while they're in trance and embed it in the subconscious mind.
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:19
I think going back a little bit to what we're saying about what do we think people think when they get to us, there is a tendency for people to think then come with a laundry list of things to fix in a single session . Of course, your subconscious will just say, your conscious mind will click back attention and nothing's gonna work. You really can only work on one or two minor changes at a time, but those minor changes will have knock on effects. Absolutely. In the interim in-between sessions.
Martin Furber 13:49
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that that's the thing. I mean, the mind will always try and protects us from change. It relies on previous patterns of behaviour on previous things.
Denise Billen-Mejia 14:02
It's very much the devil, you know, rather than the devil you don't, your comfortable here, but I know what's happening. Where I'm staying. Yeah,
Martin Furber 14:11
Yeah. But, I mean, once we can start to form a new habit or something, of course, it gets easier and easier all the time. Right. Obviously, you know, all the sorts of neuroscience explanations for it, I tend to do things easily refer to things like easy Yeah, like like the elephant clearing the path through the jungle. You know that the more times he goes through there, the clearer the path becomes.
Denise Billen-Mejia 14:35
But what's really nice about hypnosis is you can practice for example, somebody who wants to improve their piano playing, or their skiing technique. You can practice it in your imagination, and you can do that multiple times in a single in a single session. In a day, you could sit down on your couch and practice that over and over and over again. Where in the real world, you'd have to go skiing six days in a row. And those your brain very, very clever organ, doesn't know the difference between the real world and the imaginary world. Your conscious mind, of course does. But your brain is just - yeah, you say it's raining out, it will believe you unless your conscious mind makes some argument to the contrary.
Martin Furber 15:27
Yeah, that's it and if you try and say to people, your brain can't tell the difference between imagination and reality. At first they say 'well don't be stupid - of course I can.' But then when you give them an analogy of say, when they're watching a scary horror movie, and they know they're at home, perfectly safe on the couch...
Denise Billen-Mejia 15:44
It's that it's the fact that because we don't understand it, it's hard to explain the difference between your brain What do you mean physical organ responding to physical things, and your imagination and the mind, which is your awareness, and then we get into religion and a whole bunch of things nobody knows. It's, some of us think we know, but we can only interpret those things for ourselves. And, and those two work together. So, but, but note, nobody really understands quite, there have been some really good studies fairly recently shown with functional magnetic imaging, they've been able to show different parts of the brain lighting up and you can see which bits are responding to what, which is very exciting for doctors. Because doctors like evidence. Yeah, yeah, some evidence that makes them happy.
Martin Furber 16:37
Yeah, everything's gonna be evidence based. It reminds me of John Ratey, who wrote 'Spark'. He was what he came up with our brain derived neurotropic factor, some, something to do with different parts of the brain lighting up when you use your imagination, different parts of the brain, like lighting or when you're doing exercise and that kind of thing. He's the one that said, if you go for a 20 minute roam, it's like getting a hit of Ritalin and something else all in one go. Okay. He's American.
Denise Billen-Mejia 17:15
There's a lot of them. Yeah, yeah, I've followed David Spiegel stuff on, he does quite a lot of YouTube stuff. He is a psychiatrist at Stanford, who knows research into this. I disagree with him on several points, which is rather cheeky of me as he's got some serious credentials. And my disagreement is he says that only a doctor should perform hypnosis. Isay it should only be a doctor if we're dealing with medical issues, it should be hypnotists working with doctors. Yeah, I don't see anybody on my one to ones without their doctor knowing about it and being able to communicate with them. Because we want what's best for people. For example, one of the biggest things I get asked for is to reduce people's pain. It's fine and dandy. I don't like people being in pain. But pain is a useful tool. It tells us things. If you have pain, and I get rid of the pain for you, but there's a reason for the pain that the doctor ought to be fixing. That is not in your best interest. So we want to be sure that we're not doing any harm.
Martin Furber 18:29
Absolutely, that's the first thing actually, if somebody comes to see me for, you know, chronic pain, long term pain, they have to see their doctor first to get it checked out what it is because obviously, you know, being a doctor, if pain is there it is there for a reason.
Denise Billen-Mejia 18:44
Once we know what the reason is, then we can address it and you can continue to have your treatment for whatever is the cause. And hypnosis can certainly help and that's quite common with oncology patients at just, just reducing people's anxiety helps with pain.
Martin Furber 19:01
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, if we get into that a bit more perhaps when you're in a stressed state, especially if you have a cancer diagnosis or something like that. When you're in a stressed state, you're on red alert, you're in the primitive mind, your stress levels are high. You're chucking out, correct me if I'm wrong with this, you're chucking out cortisols, and on thing and another which made you stressed. Then you're going to feel the pain more you're going to concentrate on the pain more, surely?
Denise Billen-Mejia 19:01
Right. Yeah. I mean, there are some exceptions. If you, if you are running for your life and you jump over a wall, you break your leg, people can run on legs. It's amazing what the mind can do.
Martin Furber 19:38
Yeah, you're gonna surge adrenaline then, and you won't feel a pain. You hear that when somebody runs into a blazing house to rescue a child or something?
Denise Billen-Mejia 19:45
Right, that sort of thing, but they will feel it very shortly thereafter. Oh, yeah.
Martin Furber 19:51
Yeah, they don't feel it at the time, though.
Denise Billen-Mejia 19:53
Yeah. But the point of that conversation was we want to work with physicians. Absolutely. That and other therapists, not saying that, oh no hypnosis is the way to go. When you get there. There are reasons that people have different types of psychoanalysis, psychotherapy. What's CBT, cognitive behavioural therapy? Cognitive behavioural therapy. And there are different schools of hypnosis of hypnosis that use different psychotherapies. Right and the the school that you trained you had dual training right of solution-focused.
Martin Furber 20:31
I did yeah, I did. solution focused hypnotherapy and psychotherapy with CPHT. And then separately, I did the National Council of hypnotherapy, Hypnotherapy Practitioner Diploma.
Denise Billen-Mejia 20:44
OK so that was, that sounds like a lot of hours of training, okay, was a lot
Martin Furber 20:49
It was a lot of hours altogether for both of them did about 200 clinical hours of case studies as well. So it's a pretty good grounding. Because of course, anybody in the UK can call themselves a Hypnotherapist. It's always wise to check out who you're dealing with.
Denise Billen-Mejia 21:07
Pretty much in the US today, there's only three states that require any kind of registration. And they don't check actual they don't check actual training, I don't believe certainly the one I know best does not. And that is important when you do decide to go see somebody, check out their credentials, make sure they actually trained and check out their track record because of course, somebody has to be first
Martin Furber 21:34
You know, lived experience.
Denise Billen-Mejia 21:37
Well, that's it usually it takes quite a while my school requires a year of supervised clinical practice. And then I switched over I'm now, I use my certification from the National Guild of Hypnotists is one of the largest in the world, mostly for the name recognition. But they have people certifying who've come from lots of lots of different areas, but they do there's a minimum requirement. You can't get on the those registers with like 'I did a weekend course'. The weekend courses have great to get you interested. Or, for example, should solution-focused hypnotherapy somebody decided do a weekend course. I would love to come and do that course. Because I'd like to add to my skill set.
Martin Furber 22:24
Absolutely yeah, continued professional development.
Denise Billen-Mejia 22:27
Yes. Yes. Have you get most of your continuing professional development apart from our mutual friend?
Martin Furber 22:33
Yeah. Mine's all done through CPHT, who I've trained with. In fact, the most recent CPD I did was more solution focused stuff on more solution focused question. Everything's based around getting the client into the left prefrontal cortex getting into thinking positively. And sort of going for it with a set of questions that prompt all these positive responses all the time. Not talking about toxic positivity at the other end of the extreme.
Denise Billen-Mejia 23:08
Yeah, moderation in all things.
Martin Furber 23:12
Oh, absolutely, yeah. I mean, there's a lot of stuff out there, you know, you've always got to be positive always got to be positive. Oh I lost a leg, oh think of the money you'll save on socks they'll last twice as long! Not that kind of toxic positivity. Things on the basis of if somebody you know, isn't feeling so good one week. So how would it have been if it was better? Tell me how that would have been? What would that have been? Like? Get them imagining positively.
Denise Billen-Mejia 23:35
Exactly, the imagination? Yeah. Yeah. What do you do when a client, and I've had a couple of clients come to me I don't have an imagination. Like, okay, I wonder how you managed to walk out of the door this morning? What? How would you explain that to a client? It's obvious, I don't have an imagination.
Martin Furber 23:53
Okay. In the simplest form, imagination is how we visualise the future. So ask them can they think about the future if they can - well they can imagine anything.
Denise Billen-Mejia 24:02
Including the extremely close future, they can imagine a piece of toast..
Martin Furber 24:07
It's the same way. If somebody says they can't visualise something, I say to them, visualisation isn't necessarily seeing a picture in your mind. It's how you interpret it. So therefore, if somebody says I can't visualise something, I say so what colour is your front door? Or where's the the letterbox is on the left on the right, where's the handle? Is it on the left or the right? And they're going into their minds to remember that in whatever form they do it. So that that will always be my response to somebody who says I can't visualise things?
Denise Billen-Mejia 24:37
Yeah, I think with a lot of people when they when you say the word imagination, they think of very creative people and people that project I can't imagine being the director of a movie, even though I'm learning a lot more tech these days about those things, because I don't have the kind of imagination to see what they see when they look through a viewfinder, they see I think quite different than I do. I cannot imagine the perfect scene, oh if that person just moves that little bit that will be so much better and peronally I don't have a control on whether it did or not. But I don't have that kind of imagination. And you don't need that kind of imagination. You just have to be able to find a place in your mind where you feel safe.
Martin Furber 25:24
Yeah, absolutely.
Denise Billen-Mejia 25:25
That that sort of imagination.
Martin Furber 25:28
Yeah, I mean, that's, I think, again, for people who perhaps have never ever experienced hypnotherapy or anything like that, that's perhaps a really important point to get over to them. We're all about finding that safe space in the mind, and switching off the inner narrative, that voice in the client's head, whilst we sort of get into that safe space with them, and help them visualise where they want to be.
Denise Billen-Mejia 25:52
When we when we talk about voices in your head, which I'm talking psychosis. We're talking about the beneath your consciousness, beneath your soul almost beneath your subconsciousness. You don't hear somebody saying, Oh, you're too fat to go to that party. Or, yeah, you know you can't possibly stand up in a crowd of people and give a talk. You don't actually hear those, some people do. But for the most part, we we don't remember where those voices come from. And we don't really hear that we just get the emotion that we had when we heard those things.
Martin Furber 26:27
Yeah, we feel it. Yeah. Yeah. With me, like,
Denise Billen-Mejia 26:32
it's very much getting in touch with your feelings. But not necessarily reliving the trauma of something. When we work with people who've been traumatised, they, there are techniques that you can use to I know you, you don't do trauma work, but there are techniques so that they can be removed from it. They don't have to go through the pain of it. So yeah, that's what I was saying about it and make it worse. Yeah,
Martin Furber 26:57
Yeah, that's what I was saying about doing the rewind technique you'll go to before the traumatic event, and you'll go to after it, you'll miss the event out itself. That's how I deal with any kind of trauma work. Excuse me? No, there's no need to revisit any trauma. It's not useful. It's not helpful at all. Because anything you think about, you're going to amplify. So I mean, this is always my argument. And again, I'm sorry, I know you're a Brit, but you're in America and our interpretation over hearings. You know, in America, you're nobody, if you've not got a therapist, everybody has a therapist for life over there. That's the last way we see it. And well.
Denise Billen-Mejia 27:33
Life, serial therapists, people usually change. Yeah,
Martin Furber 27:36
Yeah. But of course, if you go into a therapist every week, or when you're going to relive the same thing again, and again, every week, of course, you're going to be in therapy forever.
Denise Billen-Mejia 27:43
Okay, I can think of some therapists that might find that worrisome. I would like to see hypnosis being used more by therapists, most have at least had a smattering of, of education. And it but not enough, I think, yeah. Just going back toyeah, like EMDR those things. Yeah. And of course, it also, there's a sort of fashion cycle to these things. Hypnosis was very big. I can't imagine anybody has not heard of using hypnosis for childbirth. Yet 50 years ago, nobody was talking about it.
Martin Furber 28:21
Now it would have been give me the gas and air. Yeah, that's, that's the thing, very just going back to what we were talking about earlier. Say CBT, for example. So I'm presuming is the same in the US as it is here in the UK, you may go and see your doctor who will refer you to a psychiatrist, you're going, you know, pour your heart out to the psychiatrist. And he may say, Yes, I think you should have CBT and then he will refer you on to a therapist who does the CBT.
Denise Billen-Mejia 28:53
YOu know really there are very few psychiatrists to do much in the way of therapy just because of the way that insurance works here. So it's usually in tandem with this medication involved. It's usually a psychiatrist is involved in care, and they check in with each other. But most therapy you know, the standard 15 minute our therapy sessions are usually with a psychoanalyst, a psychotherapist the CBT person. There's there's many many flavours of of psychology as well. Of course, in this country, a lot of people to be a psychotherapist in most states, not all but most of us doctrines like in political psychology. Yeah. But you can hang a shingle with a lot of other labels you can be a licenced clinical social worker. You can be a family and marriage and family counsellor are measured family therapist, and there's different levels of training and different different issues that they would deal with. So, there's it's very complicated. So you need, you didn't just start with your doctor because they have maybe some better idea of what's available in your area. And what other underlying issues there might be, because we're not talking about people who have actual psychiatric illness, not been talking about the the, the emotional stuff where you can see where something started, but the biochemical stuff that just comes out of genetics, probably. We do need to be careful about this. You can certainly I will see people who are bipolar or have other psychiatric illnesses, but again, only in conjunction with their physician or psychotherapist.
Martin Furber 30:46
Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Many psychiatrists. Yeah, I mean, over here. If somebody comes to me, and they tell me, you know, that they're depressed, they like help with this, that and the other. And then, you know, they're telling me they're on medication for depression, it's been given them to have a doctor, the first thing I do is write to their doctor to let them know, I've had a discussion with this person, they'd like to undergo solution focused therapy. Do you have any objections? Keep keeping the doctor in the loop. It's a professional courtesy for one thing, but also, they may then ride back and tell me Well, actually, no, they're on, you know, Risperidone as well. They're on an anti psychotic or something. In which case, you know, obviously, you don't do hypnotherapy with somebody who's taking anti psychotic medication.
Ok, I don't know where the time's gone there Denise, I think we'll call that quits for our first one. Shall we just let listeners know what to expect in our future podacst, because it's not just two hypnotherapists talking is it?
Denise Billen-Mejia 32:03
No it's two hypnotherapists talking to somebody else.
Martin Furber 32:06
So, what kind of guests can our listeners expect?
Denise Billen-Mejia 31:35
Well, so far, we have two or three other flavours of hypnotists, hypnotherapists who have agreed to come and talk with us and a couple of physicians in the US who are interested in hypnotherapy.
Martin Furber 32:27
In the meantime, we better wrap this one up. If you're still listening to this stage, thank you very much.
Denise Billen-Mejia 32:34
Thank you, this has been two therapists talking to each other.
Martin Furber 32:39
Two hypnotherapists! talking to each other. OK see you soon Denise.
Denise Billen-Mejia 32:44
Thank you. Bye bye.
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Martin Furber 33:10
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